Tell Tell Interview Series: Dijon Bowden, Author of From Infinity to Infinity Volume 2.

We sat down with Dijon Bowden, conscious creator and multi-dimensional artist, who just released his second collection, From Infinity to Infinity, Volume 2. We sat down to talk about how to create, how to reconnect with your body, and how to get some new connections that will help you write more often and more fully.


Dijon Bowden talked to us about Volume 2, the deepening of his first collection FROM INFINITY TO INFINITY. From Infinity to Infinity Vol. 2 infuses the mind with the kind of calm clarity which animates us to live “in service to fly free and become whole.” These lines are blessings which work their way into the spirit and reward revisiting, a wonderful next step on this multi-volume journey!


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Kallie: . [00:00:00] Hey everyone. I’m here with Dijon Bowden and multi-discipline dimensional artist who believes in self-actualization as a means to an end or others to realize their own divinity is meditation and yoga practice allows him to sustain a powerful connection to source energy and channel visionary art.

As you’ll see storytelling, music, poetry, photography. And filmmaking or vehicles he uses to share high vibrational healing energy. And we’re here today to talk about his second collection from infinity to infinity volume two. Thanks so much for being here. Yeah. Thanks for having me. It’s a pleasure. I’m just going to read the blurb.

A little bit, so everyone can kind of understand where you are with this collection. So flowing forward from his first collection from infinity to infinity volume, two continues this [00:01:00] spiritual journey while offering up fresh images, concepts, and truths. So if you read the first volume you’ll know but if not, you can kind of dig in wherever.

Dijon: There’s 88 new poems that harnessed the dynamic meditation. Infused with ancient and diverse wisdom. And I’m really excited to hear how the transition was from completing your first collection to crafting the poems for this one. Yeah, so it wasn’t a difficult transition because I had already written more than 88 pumps the first time around.

I wasn’t starting from zero. All of the poems that I wrote the first time around that were left over, didn’t make it into the second collection because I feel like I hit my stride, you know, deeper into the process of writing. But I did have some that I could start over with. And since I had already been in the habit of just like writing down a [00:02:00] poem every time.

It wasn’t hard just to continue that process and pick it back up. And even if it wasn’t every day, I’m just in the habit of like, if I get some inspiration for a line or something that inspires me, I just pull out my phone and I write all my poems and Evernote and title them by the date so that I have like a good catalog of the work.

So my process was already intact by the time I got around to volume two, which is. Yeah, I love that. And I know for volume one, you were kind of writing every day. Do you find that once you get into the habit of it, it’s sort of Springs the ideas forth a little more like, you know, writing the gets, writing, it gets writing.

Is it that sort of thing? Definitely. And I think that’s true for anything anyone does every day, right? Like if you weren’t flexible and you stretched everything. You would become flexible. Right? I feel like people are born with talent, but it’s much more about [00:03:00] accessing genius because I don’t feel like a genius as a person.

I feel like it’s a frequency that you can access with devotion and consistency and becoming a clear enough channel to receive that energy. And. I feel like people can access it different ways, but me personally, I have a good way that works for me, or at least like a handful of things I can pull from whether it’s like my yoga or meditation or spending time in nature or reading other poets or getting inspired, other ways that helped me feel full.

And then it just kinda comes through. I love that idea of kind of becoming a clear channel. I think you said it, and I’m really curious. For the people who might be watching this and feeling like, well, shoot, I don’t have a practice. I don’t feel particularly devoted to any kind of like form of expression.

Kallie: What kind of advice do you have for the people watching, who [00:04:00] might see you? You know, you, it’s your second collection of poetry. You’re, you’re always producing new work. Well, what might you say.

Dijon: I think you owe it to yourself to experience the depth and dimension of life and who you are. And everyone has access to that as a human being, we can always go deeper into ourselves for free just with our. Intention and inspired action and experienced deeper levels of reality because there’s not just one level of reality.

There’s infinite levels. And the level you experience depends on how you curate your experience. Right? Like a very simple way to understand that is if you drink eight cups of coffee in the room, You know, you would have a very different experience where if you did it right. So everything you eat, drink [00:05:00] consume, whether it’s on like the mental plane, like makes a difference.

Like if you were to read Rumi in the morning, or if you were to open up Instagram, like you’re also going to have a very different experience. So every single choice is like taking you to a different place as far as the way you’re experienced and interacting with the world. And we all want like nice things and they experience things at a high level.

And maybe you want like a high definition camera and you want like really nice headphones, but your senses actually get heightened with deepened presence. So instead of needing these external things, to show you a deeper level of reality, you can just go deeper into yourself to access that layer of reality.

And it’s just like, It’s the best because you just, you do these practices to connect with yourself and then you go outside and that’s like all the entertainment you need, because life is so [00:06:00] fun.


Kallie: Yeah, there were, I was just reading a book called the art of noticing. Let me, I forget who, who it’s by and had these little activities like, oh, you know, go outside, like by Rob Walker.

So it’d be like go outside make a left pick up the first thing you see, or, you know, wave to the person in the window. And you know, it makes you look at your neighbor. Love your idea. It’s really a conscious choice. It’s not like we’re saying, oh yeah. You know, the second book just came to you, right.

We’re not here talking about like the muse. You’re talking about connecting deeper with yourself and the things you’ve already been thinking. And I’m really curious to see if you can talk to us a little bit about this volume two and kind of share a little bit about what it means to you and what it was like creating it.

Dijon: Yeah. So I actually have them both here. Well, I am one volume, two, [00:07:00] so it was really fun to create and I created them with y’all again, which I can’t suggest enough for anyone who’s interested in creating their poetry books because, you know, I don’t think I would be finished with either one of these, if it were not for me.

The support that y’all gave both from like a, a technical level with your understanding of poetry and how to make things better, but just also from like an energetic level of bringing really positive energy, like in emails, interacting are, you know, I have a lot of things going on. If I forget to respond to an email, then you don’t follow up and you, and it’s never, I’ve never felt like pressure because I missed a lot of deadlines.

But I’ve never felt like bad about missing the deadlines or just like continually on my team and be like, Hey, like, how’s this part coming along? Like, do you think you can have this done by this time? And like having someone in your [00:08:00] corner who’s doing that is, is literally invaluable. I guess I just want to dispel the notion that people do things on their own, you know, my name’s on the book, but it’s definitely a co-creation.

So that’s a big part of the process is, and even in creating it, like when I first did the first book, I had an accountability buddy that I was writing with every day. So there’s parts of it. You do yourself, but I think immersing yourself with other people who are like, co-creating that energy with you as.

And, and then as far as the craft of the second book, to me, it feels more evolved as a, as poems because I had already written the first book. I read through those and I enjoyed them, but I was able to notice like, oh, maybe it would be better if I did this. And I had already worked with you as an editor and you can give me different things to think about, about how to approach crafting palms.

[00:09:00] And I also took part of your, how and your craft poetry class, which I think you’re still offered to people continuously running. It’s super fun. Yeah. So that just gave me more ideas about how to approach poetry and what to think about and how different people would experience the work. So I just had more information, you know, because when I started writing poetry only a couple of years ago, I hadn’t done it before.

Like I just literally just started and decided to do it. So I didn’t really have any context, like other art forms that I enjoy, like music or film, I’m pretty immersed in. And I had studied, so I had some context for it, but this, I was just doing what felt right to me, which is a cool way to do it. But I guess being more like informed help the process.

Kallie: Yeah. Can you read us a poem? [00:10:00] I was getting, having just read a poem from the new collection, but can you read one from volume one and one from volume two?


Dijon: Yeah, sure. So like that’s my Alexa…

I like to co-create with spirit, because I feel like it is a co-creation with spirit. Anything is a co-creation with spirit and that’s obvious in poetry because to me, the space on the page represents like the spiritual energy that’s there. And I feel like a big thing of what’s makes poetry different than prose is the spacing of how you’re crafting the lines in the book.

So in this co-creative aspect of spirit, I’m going to have you pick a number between one and 1 0 8 for book line, and then I’m going to go to that page and read the poem on that. Love this. Also, when you, when I pick the PhD, you also show us kind of what the page looks like visually. Yeah. [00:11:00] Choose number five.

Okay. So this is from, from infinity to infinity volume, one. And let’s go to page five.

So it’s Chinese finger cuffs is the Palm of page five,

the Chinese finger cuffs snapped. And I finally broke free. I realized that too comes before. Step three, loving you. Comes after loving me. The first step is remembering that I am one with God that I actually realize this truth with deed word, and thought that I don’t need a specific relationship to cultivate me, but also that without a reflection, there’s nothing to see.

It is up to me to embody my soul. [00:12:00] It is up to me to choose, to feel whole. What advance we have tried to control. Let’s let go to spend for free and embodied lives on the go. I love that because that’s kind of what we were just talking about, how you have it, you know, it’s a choice. You wake up every day and you decide, do I look at Instagram?

Do I look at my, do I listen to Rumi or something like that? That was beautiful. Yeah, thank you. I love that poem a lot of times, like the ones that feel more channeled when I read them a lot of times, I feel like I’m like, I don’t, I don’t recognize myself as having written it, you know? And this one I would love to hear, like what came up for you or what you think of when you heard that.

Kallie: Well, you mean the channeling part of the poem itself? I love it because you had me pick a number. And I think it’s funny that the poem that we looked at is one that kind of circles or [00:13:00] embodies this conversation that we’ve been having. And also, you know, the idea that, you know, you can’t pour from an empty cup, I think is kind of concept that I see.

Home, which is both visually interesting and like sonically. Do you recall kind of where you were when you wrote this phone, like physically in space.

Dijon: I don’t know if I remember where I was physically, but I think I remember where I was like psychologically or emotionally. And I know it was having a conflict with someone and the dimension to which you look at a conflict from determines whether or not you’re going to like stay in it or whether you’re going to transcend it and learn whatever is being reflected to you.

And. What I mean by that is [00:14:00] like, like the Chinese finger cuffs, right. That people know what those are, where you have your fingers in the things, and you, both people were trying to pull out and it tightens. So you actually have to like, relax and like move towards each other to loosen the grip. And for me, that’s really big on how to resolve conflict because previously I feel like I would resolve conflict in one of two ways.

And one is probably. Like blowing up and expressing anger, which is, which was a much less acted out thing because it’s not an uncomfortable, it’s an uncomfortable thing to express anger. And we don’t like to do that. Right. So another way is to. Be an avoidance of the issue and not discuss it with the person, but then judge them in your mind are, think about why they’re wrong and why you’re right.

Which is really just this crazy mind [00:15:00] game you’re playing with yourself that perpetuates this suffering. And whatever the issue is, if you don’t come to a higher level of understanding about it, then you’re going to repeat that same conflict with someone else, even if you’ve like, which I used to do, try to push that person out because I made them wrong.

It’d be like, oh, that person’s wrong. But then that same issue would come up because I hadn’t yet. So the, you know, the Chinese finger cuffs snapped and I finally broke free. It was about moving towards someone in the conflict and actually seeing the conflict as a sacred opportunity to grow, as opposed to seeing the other person as an enemy, you know, and he had like these lines.

I realized that to come before step three, Loving you comes after loving me. So it’s like we have step two and step three, you know, loving you is step three, loving me [00:16:00] is step two, but what’s step one. The first step was remembering that I am one with God and that actualizes would DG word and thought. And to me.

We speak of the idea of everything being one often where like, everything is one, like one love all this stuff, but it’s like, what does that mean? And to me, it is a literal thing. You know, that we all are expressions of the divine and. In order to like, remember that and see the world through that lens, you have to affirm it to yourself repeatedly because whatever were affirmed, our whatever is repeated to our consciousness is going to be how we see the world and advertisers know that.

And that’s why they say. Buy a Coke every like eight times and then a TV show because they want your mind to be focused on that. So if you choose [00:17:00] to pull back your attention and focus it where you want and stay this person, I’m a divine being. So if I’m a divine being like, how do I want to act? How does the divine act like with grace, with patients with compassion?

Like these are the qualities and just like affirming that to yourself. Right? So that when you interact with somebody, you don’t just react, but you actually pause and say, well, am I acting in the ways that I just said I wanted to write? And then if this other person is also a divine being, then maybe you take a little bit of time to try to see it from their perspective.

Instead of just being like, oh, they’re not doing what I want them to do. I’m going to say that they’re a jerk or something. Right. And how can I see myself more clearly by imagining what they’re experiencing when they’re talking to me so that I can create more harmony? So that’s the idea. And [00:18:00] then the last part about it’s up to me to embody my source up to me, to choose, to feel whole, it’s just the idea that everything you need is already within.

You know, it’s a cliche term, but it’s very literal. You know, like he was saying, like, you have to fill yourself up first before you can go out and interact with the world. And that’s not just a spiritual concept. It’s a literal concept because the same oxytocin and all the chemicals that exist that we get when we give people hugs, or when we see a movie that’s exciting, we can generate those through like exercise.

For instance like endorphins and things like those are things that get released when we engage with ourselves in a certain way. So if you do those things first, if you affirm yourself who you are, and then you do the things to activate these things within your body, then you’re feeling full and you [00:19:00] don’t need something from somebody else.

Kallie: Right. It’s really true. And I think too, That obviously you can look outwards and sometimes it’s necessary to look outwards, but first you must look inwards  to even know what you’re looking for out there. And I think too often we do the opposite. We just look for external reasons  to calm us or external reasons to kind of explain why things are the way they are.

I mean, this, this. Huge internal experience that we’re already having. We’re still going to have, so we might as well pay attention to it. Right. So I’m curious to see what poem you’re going to read from the next. Yeah. Okay. Here we go. Line two.

Dijon: Can you pick a number again? Scene one in what? 1 0 8. How about 88?

[00:20:00] 88. Good number.


Dancing naked, invisible to those unacquainted with joy flying above recalcitrant noise. Each sliver of the present, a gracious gift from God. Breath of fire helps the serpent to remove egos facade. The Lotus blooms at the perfect moment. Self-love being the crucial component.

Kallie: I love the line. I think it was the second or third that [00:21:00] individually in invisible to those unacquainted with joy and this idea that. Kind of what we were just saying, unless you know what you’re looking for, you’re going to, you’re not going to be able to see it.

I think, unless we know kind of its shape, you might not recognize it at all about this and where this came from. Yeah. So the idea of naked and free and being invisible to those unacquainted with joy. Is, as I’ve mentioned, I have a very intentional way of like starting my days, which puts me on a very specific frequency.

So like, I feel a certain way when I leave the house, but I wasn’t always like that. And you know, maybe most people don’t do that. Like they’re, they wake up to an alarm and like, like I wake up to my Sonos to plays relaxing. [00:22:00] You know what I mean, versus waking up to like, eh, you know so if you’re just waking up in a way that’s not optimized for your joy and your pleasure as you like enter back into this realm from the dream realm, by the time you go outside and interacting with people versus what I’m doing, we’re going to be on very different wavelengths.

So when I’m like smiling, walking down the street, Or like with my headphones on like dancing by myself, it might seem really weird to people that are operating at a different frequency. So they might be like, well, why is this person. Like acting like that.

Yeah. And I think that it can go two ways. Like you can one either inspire people and they like are like kind of intrigued or it can like trigger people because there’s like, well, what do they have to be happy about? Like all this bad [00:23:00] shit is going on in the world and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But I feel like the antidote to all the bad things is a conscious cultivation of a.

Specific vibration of black love and joy because you experienced the world differently when you’re in that state and it’s contagious, just like the negativity and other things are contagious. Positivity, and joy is contagious too. So when you are able to cultivate that energy and spread it, everyone has more energy, more patients, more compassion to interact with the world and build the new world that we’re all want to live in.

So there also are some references to breath of fire helps the serpent to remove egos facade. And that’s a specific reference to Kundalini practice, which is a pranayama practice and pranayama, which is like conscious breathing with certain mood [00:24:00] drives and breathing techniques is the most transformative.

Thing I’ve done, you know, I’ve done a lot of things like yoga and different meditation, but pranayama is just like so powerful. So if anyone’s interested, you know, Google breath of fire, look it up on YouTube. It’s a simple, like one minute or three minute exercise you can do that. Helps you decide, identify with your ego.

And what that means is like, like I was going back to the conflict I was talking about, like, instead of being in that loop of like, I’m wrong, I’m right. This person is wrong. You start to say like, well, what’s going on here? Like, how can we create more harmony in this situation? Which are very different ways to view a conflict.

Kallie: Yeah. What you were saying earlier reminded me of a Jack Gilbert quote from his poem, a brief for the issue. And one of the lines is, you know, we must risk [00:25:00] delight and that’s something really interesting about the fact that yeah, you walked through your day and you’re happy, even though there are all these things going on and there is still suffering.

And I’m curious about the way you cultivate that. You mentioned you wake up with the calming music. Can you walk me through a little bit of your morning?


Dijon: So, you know, my routine is so crucial to my day and it starts me off, like how I start my morning will determine like where I start my day from, because I feel like I kind of glide down from whatever height I ascend to in the morning.So for instance, like I’m very sensitive to, to sound. Vibration. So like I was mentioning, I used to wake up to an alarm and then I got Sonos and you only have to have that. You can like set your phone to have an alarm that [00:26:00] wakes you up to a song that you want to hear. Right. So that’s just a simple vibrational way to be like, introduced into the day.

So I have a playlist that plays. I have like two playlists. So one of those two plays every morning for me to wake up and then I’ll get up, brush my teeth, make some lemon water, which helps alkalize my body and keep me hydrated. And usually start stretching are doing yoga and I have different videos that I’ll either do it alone along with, I just do my own thing and stretch while I’m listening to this music.

And then I either do like this dance practice have been doing this thing called energy lately. I heard about it. It was Julianne. Hough is like doing it apart of like Oprah’s tour. And I saw it and I was like, okay, this looks cool. And she had a free video and I did it and it’s fun. [00:27:00] But it’s just a way to connect with your body and get the energy moving.

And now. You know, I’m 39 now. So like I usually wake up feeling stiff, you know? Yeah, so like it takes energy to get energy. Right. So like I have to interact with my body in a physical way in order to like lubricate my joints and stretch out my muscles and be able to exist in a way that feels good for my body.

Because if you don’t feel good in your body, it’s going to be hard to do anything with joyfully or even, you know, with a certain level of presence. So I do that and then I have a Chinese ceremony tea set, so I’ll usually drink my tea. Like blue people, which is a ginseng oolong. And then I could either like journal, read, play music, go for a [00:28:00] walk and listen to a podcast.

Like any of those things happen after the tea. And my routine has gotten pretty long, you know? 60 to 90 minutes. And it wasn’t always that way, but because I’ve identified that it makes me feel so good and that I’m able to be in this highly creative state after doing all of these things, like the poetry just comes, you’re just like, oh, blah, blah, blah.

You know I was like, okay, this is something I want to create space for and be consistent with because. It colors my whole day. So I’ll get up earlier than I would. I become a morning person, so I can get up, you know, anywhere from four 30 to 8:00 AM, depending on how much sleep I need that particular day.

 And then do all of those things before I do other things. Yeah.


Kallie: And I think it’s, what’s really interesting is a lot of the time people think or talk about poetry or [00:29:00] writing and we think it’s just purely cerebral, right? Like we’re just using our minds and constructing, you know, using language and images and sometimes like visual concepts.

Like what we’ve been talking about here is really in the body, it’s kind of a somatic experience that isn’t just the one thing it’s not just your mind. It’s not just your body. You’re saying. For you to kind of be creative in the way that you have been, you really do both and you focus on both what your body needs and what your mind needs in order to kind of create this space.

And it’s, you know, I like the idea that it’s not, it’s not just going to float from the sky. I think a lot of times we think like, oh, it’ll just happen. You know, it’ll come when it comes and it doesn’t always come, especially like beside, if you’re opening in the morning, it’s your alarm to Instagram to work stress, stress, or, you know, just running through your to-do list.

You don’t have space [00:30:00] for creativity and your routine seems like you place high importance on creativity and being being able to kind of enjoy the space that gives you. Totally. I mean, I feel like the point of life is to be a conscious creator. Like that’s literally the point of life. I feel like it’s to be mindful and intentional about what you’re creating and to work on that craft and then to share it with other people so they can enjoy and experience and be enlightened from it.

Dijon: And I know what you meant when you said it doesn’t just flow from the sky. But. I want to say that it does, it does flow from this. It literally, yeah. It literally exists in the sky are in the ether, just like radio waves do. But the thing is like, with a radio, like when you’re listening to a radio, like the station, doesn’t just come on when you [00:31:00] turn to it.

Right. Like it’s been on. Right. But you had to tune into it. To be able to receive it. So it’s already there. And the process that I do in the morning is tuning into it to say, okay, this is I’m ready to receive this now. And this is the process of opening myself up to that receptivity. Yeah.


Kallie: And I’m curious the last question I have is actually around how to.

Kind of tune your channels or make it easier, you know, for people who maybe have never done this type of work or who maybe feel a little bit disconnected from their own bodies and their selves and their creativity, do you have, maybe I would say an easy and by easy, I mean like a relatively quick tip that they might be able to, or a practice they might be able to incorporate.

To get started. And then of course, I imagine it will go from there and they’ll be able to build just something to kind of kick off the, the [00:32:00] journey for them.


Dijon: Definitely. So the simplest thing is nature. You know, you can’t improve on nature and nature is everything right? So getting out in nature as much as possible.

And when you can like putting your phone on airplane mode, When you’re out there. So you can have an uninterrupted, fully present relationship with nature, taking off your shoes and putting them on the actual earth and like just breathing anything, you know, like that’s beyond words, what happens when you do those things?

And then I know sometimes it can be challenging to make space for nature. I even wished I went to nature more. So I would say something that’s always with you is your breath. Because a lot of us don’t breathe consciously or breathe deeply, like all the way down to our diaphragm. A lot of it is just chest breathing.

So [00:33:00] like breathing all the way down to your diaphragm is really powerful. And a very simple pranayama breathing technique is, is a box breathing, four part box breathing. So it’s four parts. Each part is four seconds long. And it’s a four second inhale a four second hold a four second exhale, a four second hold.

And then you repeat that. So if you repeat that three times, that’s one minute, right? So like 2, 3, 4, hold 2, 3, 4. And just that whole cycle. Like one minute of doing that will totally change your point of internal reference. And once you start to get a taste of what it feels like to be conscious and to circulate product through your body, you’ll go deeper [00:34:00] into breath work.

And the things you can experience through breathwork, as I mentioned are literally limitless. Oh, I love this. I was just doing the box breathing with you. That’s one of my favorite breathing techniques, especially before bed. I love this. I’m so grateful that you decided to partner with us again, and that we were able to kind of walk with you on this journey.

And I’m really interested to hear, is there going to be a volume three? Let’s what’s the deal? Yeah, definitely. I’m definitely doing volume three. I feel like this from infinity to infinity series is this trilogy. So after volume three, I’ll stop. A different direction of something. And it probably in a different style because I don’t want to regurgitate myself.

But to me, this whole series is about the process of becoming, you [00:35:00] know, I feel like. All of us are on our journey to being fully, fully awakened and divine. And the things that happen outside of us, that people embody, whether it’s like Jesus Christ or like the Dalai Lama are not different than us. They’re just examples of what’s possible as far as what we can embody.

So we’re all on the path to being. Christ consciousness, Supreme cosmic consciousness, but we’re at different points in the journey and it’s not a comparison. It’s not a race. We’re all here to enjoy our own journey. But the process of becoming is interesting to me. And that’s what this is about because there’s some ponds in this collection that I’ve read that feel so channeled and there’s such a high frequency.

And they feel like it’s just the transmission from source. And there are other ones that [00:36:00] are very like human and deal with very human specific things. And I really appreciate that because if you read Rumi, there’s not at least in the Rumi of I’ve experienced or something like that, there’s not a backup.

It just, he just is right. Like everything is from that frequency and just like, wow, this is amazing. But it’s like, well, how do you get there? You know? So the reason why I liked this series, that includes the becoming is because you can see the human in there. That’s kind of like. Holding the edges trying to like, hold on and not open up to this thing, but then realizing when you do open up to it, how beautiful it is, and it makes it relatable in a certain way.

So each volume of this series, I feel like it goes deeper into letting source be the mouthpiece and the surrendering of the human that’s resisting, which [00:37:00] is something I know I’ve struggled with my whole life. And I feel like a lot of us can probably relate.

Kallie: It’s almost like what are those called? Those like meditation circles that you walk in the same path, but every time. The starting point, you, you have a different vision, a different view of it. So in, in some ways I think your work is a little bit like that, and really you can open any collection to any page at any time and you’ll probably get something new from.

Yeah, totally. It’s definitely a deep thing. I’m wondering if you have any reflections. On your experience of volume two versus volume one?


Kallie: Like I said, I think, I think it’s a deepening. I think there’s [00:38:00] a lot of connections between the two, I think in many cases when you can view it kind of like the same pool is it, is it locally like the deep end?

Like we’re going further down this path. Whereas volume one was sort of like the opening and like you said, a lot of the humidity grappling kind of mixed in. This more conscious tapping into experience. And I think the closer weekends, it’s almost like we get closer to the source with, I don’t know if you feel similar.

Dijon: Yeah, totally. That’s exactly how I experienced it. Yeah.


Kallie: Absolutely. Well, I’m really curious to see how this transforms, I think, you know, you said you don’t want to regurgitate, but I think each piece, each section each collection it is never a regurgitation. Well, this was amazing. Thank you so much. I will be dropping your bio. And your website and of course a link to where everyone can buy volume one and volume two. I think it’s great to buy them together. But like I said, even one, no, anyone you open, I think you’ll get something out of it.

So, so keep that in mind and we’ll definitely. Be back with another interview at some [00:39:00] point in the future with Dijon.


Dijon : Yeah. Thank you so much for having me, Kallie. It’s a pleasure to be here as a pleasure to work with you, and I’m excited to make volume three to order the books. You can do that at, from infinity to


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